As explained by Ambassador Spock, in fact. For him it is a Star in THAT timeline.

Now there's your problem. Nero is not a loyal Romulan. He is, for all intents and purposes, crazy. For all I know, he may not even realise that there IS a Romulus in this time.

Loved it. It is exactly what this franchise needed

One of the best movies I have ever seen. Stays true to the Star Trek movie formula (less emphasis on philosophy, more on candidness, action, and a clear antagonist). People who argue that it's too much action and not enough depth clearly do not know Star Trek very well. The tv shows contain all the philosophy and diplomacy and moral gray areas. The movies are almost entirely good vs. evil romps through space (except for the first one, but that doesn't count).

Loved all the references too, my fav would have to be engineer Olsen the redshirt.

Yeah, I can see what you mean. I think JJ Abhrams was trying to combine the revenge plot of Star Trek II and the over all comedic nature of IV, with a little bit time travel thrown in for good measure. It feels like a hybrid of multiple trek themes and the serious revenge and suspense behind Nero was heavily compromised as a result.

I knew Suspense would come into the discussions.

In particular, the "Scientific" meaning of the term.

What this Trek does is crossing a treshold beyond suspense and above archetypes, and i'll prove it by these observations of Orci/Kurtzman storyline;

- That Foe is intra-dimensional... Nero goes inbetween timelines which nullifies the suspense at the concept stage for a good reason; unless Vulcan isn't destroyed while both the parachuting scene fails AND *two* Spocks witness their "shares" of coincidental events, Earth becomes a no-go.

- Irrational as it may seem, not even the Enterprise plays an active role against Nero *until* they are in Saturn's orbit and Kirk+Spock leave. Thus, above archetypes since they act now against the threat but not the anti-hero.

- The dialogue line is clear; Kirk offers to save him from the Horizon at some high risk as demonstrated by the BlackHole collapse. Thus, beyond suspense.

Sure after 25 years one can agree that the screws might become loose. But at the time he surely must have been trust worthy ( by Romulan standards) or he would not have been in command. Additionally one would think he would orient himself to the new timeline almost immediatly.

It's possible that Nero dismissed the idea of saving Romulus by acting in the present because his family is still dead in the future, and he has no guarantee of making it back to that future once he's prevented Romulus' destruction.

He also was waiting for Spock, so he wasn't going to leave that area until he had Spock. That meant two and a half decades of constant vigilance.

OK i am writing this as a watch the movie.

>> chick from house? come on... (-)

>> beastie boys? come on... (-)

>> i am sick of the gay music and the stupid chase cameras already... (-)

>> at least kirk likes to fight and seems to be a womanizer... (+ +)

>> Bana, as almost always usual, is bad ass... (+)

>> spaceships look bad ass... (+)

>> Chekov cool, Spock douche... (+ -)

>> i don't know why people were complaining how the romulan ship caused the debris, they explained it well... ( = )

>> transporters are gay now... (-)

>> Nimoy Spock's story, awesome... (+)

>> i like the retro throwback of the phasers and tricorders and stuff and throwback uniforms... (+)

>> i dislike Scotty's actor... (-)

>> Nimoy's ending made it great... (+)

So that is -6 and +8; therefore, I like the movie. I still think I prefer TNG, but that being said, I can get on board with this crew, as long as it doesn't get any more gay.

that's my $0.02

I don't think movies can have a sexual orientation.

Well, except for porn, but if you think I'm going to get into THAT.......

Seriously, though, this "gay" thing is getting a bit out of hand. I don't want these forums to wind up like my health class.

It's true though, the Transporter can now beam people anywhere it seems. That is bad. Wonder if they can do it through sheilds too.

They have done that too, cant remember the episode though. The issue usually is that it takes a lot more energy and computing power to do those tricks with the transporter then the standard we all usually see.

Liked it as a stand-alone movie, hated it for the way it radically alters the established Trek timeline and blows overs so many established details and relationships. In too many ways, this movie has absolutely nothing to do with the Trek we fans know and love. They pretty much simply ignored 43 years of established Trek history.

I think they're going to have to write another movie, where they go back and patch up the timeline, so it falls back in with the established history of the Star Trek universe. Trek has a huuuuuuuuge, and obsessed, fan base; they're seriously screwing with that fan base here, and that's a big risk.