Modding is a process
by JJ Abrams & a whole lot of people!
Published on May 5, 2009 By Zyxpsilon In Everything Else

SPOILERS ALERT;

 

You will see this film eventually, right?

You will even have the urge to share your opinions with the membership here, and to express yourselves clearly with description of scenes, quoting dialogues, snapping images of the new NCC-1701, etc!

Be fair & square, and consider that anything you will write below should automatically spoil the fun & the mystery for others.

Tomorrow at this time, France-Belgium-Switzerland-Vulcan(Alberta) fans will rush out their TRUE world premieres as much as some lucky Austin_Texas & Sydney_Australia people last April who resisted (However futile!) revealing any details after being asked by Orci, Kurtzman, Lindelof & Mr Leonard Nimoy.

Do not read anything below while you still can exit this thread.

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STAR TREK is a contest of skills & personalities.

It proves (again) that Humanity can and MUST go to Space and beyond.

And, that even Science is no match for Fiction.

The Galaxy is our only hope.

Enjoy.

 


Comments (Page 2)
on May 09, 2009

I already watched the movie so I won't post on here till someone start posting the plot

You could be first!

After all this is a *SPOILERS* thread as warned in the OP.

Everyone has that right.

on May 09, 2009

Phaedyme
And this is the review I referenced.

'97 is twelve years ago - let's just say, he settled into a sort of "wisdom is more important than youth acrobatics for the Box-Office rankings".

I always highly respected Ebert's film opinions which is why i feel deprived of a honest "summary" from him. He served us the Roddenberry referencing crap and he knows dam well Abram's film wasn't anywhere near that 60's TeeVee legend. In both scope and intentions. Same characters, same ship; com'on, people (that includes Trekkers and the all new generation of 13+) are much smarter than that. We saw the Shuttles, the Mars Rovers & the ISS since. The future is bright because Mir & Mercury capsules belong to the past.

You need an open-mind to rationalize that THIS Star Trek is standing on its own rights & millenium.

Sadly, it may not to go back to TeeVee because that's the public to miss; 12 episodes a year, every third Wednesday of the Month (pick your own primetime slot, it's yours) -- no more summer cliffhangers. Get out of the silly patterns, Paramount -- these excellent actors proved it already.

Innovate. Revolutionized. Re-energize our hopes for real Sci-Fi -- not Lost but Found, at last.

on May 09, 2009

The "plot" is kind of a no brainer.

Thank you, Major Stress.

Your input is appreciated. Reset, scream and warp - what time and foes can't destroy belongs to Pioneers.

The JellyFish was just icing on a HUGE cake. I'm a GDI art activist (and extremist too, btw), and must kneel before ILM perfection once more.

on May 09, 2009

To be honest, I like Chevov in the movie, he seems to have more energy in the movie than what i have seen in the TOS

and the teleporation was nuts, I am first scotty gets teleported into a vat of water from which kirk had to save him (ok old spock forgot that it was the older enterpise). from then tele to "cargo bay" when it is really a command post and don't get me started on that sence when spock and kirk run thru the center getting shot at but not hit

however, I do like and I quote:


"You can't even speak..."
(Kirk Grunts)
"What?"
"I have your gun!"

- Ayel, shot by Kirk
on May 09, 2009

Zyx, I thought this would amuse you.

Having seen it, I completely agree that Ebert's review is terrible and out of left field.

I liked the movie.

I liked that they hung a lampshade on a particular Trek trope just before Kirk and Scotty beamed up.

I like that the stage is set for a reboot that can go in new directions without needing an explicit tie to the original series - not that I dislike TOS in the least, but they've given themselves flexibility without needing to account for strict canon.

on May 09, 2009

Funny "interpretations" by geeks or nerds have always been biased to some degree in everything; as i recall, Batmanners went after Mr Freeze & Riddler for their snappy characterizations as well. Even the Jaws of a great white can't rip apart a boat and sink it - doesn't make the practice of blockbusters less effective or feasible though. I prefered Burton's Planet of the Apes for the spectacle of crashed ship still ready to blow up as opposed to a Statue burried in sand -- at THAT particular moment. But i still was stunned by Heston fisting on a sand beach.

Most film goers expect what they want (or were led to believe by intensive pubs, btw) not what is the actual film. It's been called the schlerosis of opinions before facts by critics more than enough to turn verbs into adjectives.

on May 09, 2009

"Fisting" means something specific in English, btw. Pounding or punching the sandy beach might be better word choices.

The video I linked is a joke news story, 'cause that's how The Onion rolls.

on May 10, 2009

Nicely done. 8/10 from me.



Positive
- The Story: It was clear from the beginning, that this movie is made as a relaunch of the Star Trek Franchise, so that the old films and series do not have to be taken under consideration anymore, or at least not completely. It wasn't clear how it was done.
The fact that a time travel incident changed the time line was, in my opinion, the best way to create "a new reality" in which Kirk's father died and thus he became a different character at first, who didn't even enlist in the Starfleet Academy.
Destroying Vulcan also was a rather bold and unexpected step.

- Faithfulness to some Star Trek Canon: The USS Kelvin is simply a Hermes/Saladin alteration that fits into its time and also could have had such a registration number. I liked that Wink.

- Orchestration: Beautiful models, good CGI action, very pleasing. I liked one thing in particular: in some scenes when the scenerey went into space they muted the sound in "aesthetically correct moments". That was nice Smile.
Another important point here is the playfulness of the camera in space. There isn't always an "up". Best example is the tracking shot from the bridge of the Enterprise into space with a pan to Nero's ship.

- Warp Speed: woosh! (though it has more similarity to Star Wars' hyperspace now).

- Comedy that was actually funny.

- Acting was good.



Neutral
- Stardate: answering the question from Spock, when future Spock's ship was comissioned, the computer answers something like 23xxx. The ship would have been commissioned some time after Voyager or Nemesis, this would indicate a Stardate greater than 54xxx. However, Stardates have never been consistent so no one should care about that.

- Chekov was weird, but more or less funny.

- Story: the fact, that the Enterprise is suddenly too close to the black whole, which they created themselves basically, was a bit stupid. However, one could argue, that they couldn't predict the exact magnitute of the black hole, created by full amount of red matter.



Negative
- Engineering Room: I absolutely do not like the new Engineering Room. This is probably the thing that is most different from the "old" Star Trek. Instead of a moderately plausible Warp Core and some plasma conduits etc. we have now numerous tanks and other shabby stuff who have questionable purposes. This might be more plausible for Battlestar fans, but it's definitely not for me.
Also.. that water conduit, in which Soctty has beamed himself (which was a quite funny Smile) or rather this "water pump" or whatever that comes afterwards has the charakter of the stompers from Galaxy Quest Wink.

- Beaming: Scotty and Kirk beam themselves on the Enterprise over an enormous distance...

- Story: there are also some negative parts about the story of course. (Old) Spock, Kirk and Scotty all meet on that Hoth like Planet? What a coincidence. Why was Spock in that cave anyway? Instead of in the Starfleet base already for example.

on May 10, 2009

Well the bigest glaring inconsistency was that Earth (and vulcan) is totaly undefended ... seriuosly ... a ship can can sneek up on an interstelars empires homeworld and start drilling the planet with a huge laser powered drill  ... and all the citizens can do is run about screaming? I mean were is the home fleet? dont tell me those 7 ships that went to vulcan were it? Where are orbital defenses? where are the god damed ICBM's?

 

Other than that it was a great movie

on May 10, 2009

I thought the movie on its merits was outstanding and it should surely get a sequel.

With that said, I really, really dont like the time travel mechanic at all. I consider it the same as the Q as far as story devices. Moreover I cant believe that Spock would be off with his timing and the comment that a star explosion threatened the destruction of the galaxy was a bit over the top. Additionally I cant believe that all the senior commanders of SF where killed as well as the entire Vulcan fleet and the Klingon fleets. Then what about the fact Nero went back in time and did not go to his homeworld and give them the tech he had and use it to shift the power of the galaxy. Then there is the fact that Mr Spock is still alive and have hundreds of years of advanced knowledge that he could use to do the same for the Federation now. I have other issue but those are the biggest peeves of the top of my head.

On a side note, I still love Ms. Rider. It would have been nice to see more of her in the movie.

@Spooky - The reason Spock was on th eplanet was becasue Nero put him there to see the end of his homeworld.

on May 10, 2009

Except for the fact that supernovas propagate at light speed, which means it would take years for the radiation to reach Romulus (if not decades, centuries, or millennia), yeah, supernovas can pretty thoroughly threaten life in its neighborhood.

The scenario is so scientifically implausible that I have trouble picking one particular element as being worth complaint over any others. It's Star Trek, science in Star Trek is not like real world science.

I agree that time travel is overused, but at least time travel wasn't used in this case to prevent the crisis, as happens frequently in Trek (films and episodes). Time travel is pretty thoroughly a part of the Star Trek canon, though, to the point that I know going in that it'll happen.

on May 10, 2009

Well the bigest glaring inconsistency was that Earth (and vulcan) is totaly undefended ... seriuosly ... a ship can can sneek up on an interstelars empires homeworld and start drilling the planet with a huge laser powered drill  ... and all the citizens can do is run about screaming? I mean were is the home fleet? dont tell me those 7 ships that went to vulcan were it? Where are orbital defenses? where are the god damed ICBM's?

 

Other than that it was a great movie
They weren't undefended. They extracted information about the Federation's defense grid from Captain Pike. They destroyed the defenses over Vulcan. What did you think all the debris was? .

on May 10, 2009

Spartan
Then what about the fact Nero went back in time and did not go to his homeworld and give them the tech he had and use it to shift the power of the galaxy
He didn't and couldn't go back in time on purpose.

on May 10, 2009

guys, im not a 'trekie' but i have seen a few of the older movies and i thought the new movie was excellent, it appealed to a wider audience yet still had that unidentifiable something that makes the movies great, and star trek needs a wider audience if you want it to survive.

 

and debating the little inconsistencies? its a film, as long as its entertaining some things can be looked over

on May 10, 2009

Spooky



Quoting dWind,
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Well the bigest glaring inconsistency was that Earth (and vulcan) is totaly undefended ... seriuosly ... a ship can can sneek up on an interstelars empires homeworld and start drilling the planet with a huge laser powered drill  ... and all the citizens can do is run about screaming? I mean were is the home fleet? dont tell me those 7 ships that went to vulcan were it? Where are orbital defenses? where are the god damed ICBM's?

 

Other than that it was a great movie They weren't undefended. They extracted information about the Federation's defense grid from Captain Pike. They destroyed the defenses over Vulcan. What did you think all the debris was? .

I'd say it was a little ridiculous that a 24th century mining vessel was well equipped that it could easily best ships (i.e., the Kelvin) only about 150 years older than it. And the entire Vulcan defensive grid, and so forth.

But really, the problem with planets lacking defenses is hardly unique to this Star Trek movie. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look at that DS9 episode when they attacked Earth, Star Treks I and IV... and on and on...