Trust the most reliable source around the Linking neighborhoods for pure interpretation of facts rather than opinions for yourselves if you sooooo wish; Memory-Alpha.

Who are you talking to, exactly?

Thanks for the link.

Toward the end of his life, Roddenberry, and Trek writer DC Fontana, both urged the acceptance of the Animated Series into the canon. In fact, Fontana once mentioned that, it you added the two years of the cartoon to the three of TOS, it gave you Kirk's entire 5-year mission. April is included in the official Star Trek Chronology, by Michael and Denise Okuda, as well as on the memory Alpha link I just received from our host. 

Over the years, fans have generally accepted that April was the first captain. Again, this would have been before the events of the new movie.

And, I'm not afraid of change, I just don't like it very much.

I thnk you. Maybe me and the other "gay guys", it's hard to tell with Zyxpsilon. I for one think you are perfectly on topic.

I miss Vulcan

I thought so, too......?

I just thought of another error they made; Delta Vega (the planet on which Gary Mitchell would be killed) is no where near Vulcan. Yet, there was Spock, standing on the its icy surface (it wasn't icy in the TV show, by the by) watching Vulcan implode and disappear into the black hole.

Man! They just keep racking up and racking up!

But you are saying that phase weapons = phasers. That's never been said anywhere. I was trying to illustrate the point that "phase weapons" could have been a technology that evolved into "lasers", which then evolved into "phasers". The assumption being made is "phase weapons" and "phasers" are more advanced than "lasers".

I personally don't like the mention of lasers at all, and I would be happy to cut them out entirely. Just like they say in The Cage that "the time barrier has been breached", implying ships travel through time, they use some sort of bizarre galactic measurement that implies the Federation is galaxy-wide... I don't take these seriously. Do you?

The only worry I have with the new movie is that we won't return to the main universe for some time, especially because at least 2 sequels are lined up (according to Memory Alpha) using the same crew + ship. Sure, it might spark interest in a main universe series (especially with the major success of the movie), but I'm a little worried all that excitement is for "Abrams' Universe", not the "Prime Universe."

EviliroN for *insisting* on the gay craptalk.

If this iteration of TOS ever makes it to TeeVee, i'll put my entire collection of DVDs on the line that the first episode will pick from exactly where Turnabout Intruder left off.

Lets not be TOO hard on the guy. He said he just wanted to see how the rest of use would react.

It's a good movie. Kinda fast paced, though, I think in a couple of spots they should have slowed things down a bit. I want to have a nice long look at that new bridge .

I'm not quite understanding this new audience . . .

When the new Knight Rider came out, I had hopes that it would be good - but after the first few episodes aired, I basically turned it off. I can't really put a finger on what I didn't like - but it seemed rather directionless and without focus. Too much chattering of the minor characters, not enough substance. I hope that if a new Star Trek TV show comes out, it won't be like the new Knight Rider.

I think it's pretty obvious this is gonna be a reboot - they did mention that all of this time travel stuff drastically altered events. I'm pretty sure this means a new TV show.

. . . and to those of you complaining about the long distance teleport: He wouldn't be Scotty if he didn't do the occasional miracle.

But "The Cage" was the prototype; before so many changes were made. Of course it's going to be different. It was before the Gene Coon era; Coon created so many of the things that Trek became. It was also before they got a little more concerned with actual science; for example, "dilithium crystals", in the  very beginning, were "lithium crystals". Of course, lithium actually exists, so they changed it. Same with laser/phasers.

You're saying that "Phase Weapons", or "Phase Pistols", to which they're often referred, became lasers, which bacame, in turn, "Phasers"? No, I don't buy that. Did the abbacus become the adding machine, which became the abbacus? Even though this is just a TV show, some logical progression has always been implied, and prevailed.

This implication is clearly shown throughout the series by the writers/producers, right down to the dual-nacelle design of the Phoenix, Zephram Cochrane's first warp ship in "First Contact"---32 years after "The Cage" was produced.

okay, i was far too lazy to read through the whole thread, but i just wanted to add one little thing that a lot of people here seemd to got wrong (excuse me if it already has been discussed):

there is no need to patch up the timeline or anyting after this movie - the idead was, that the romulan ship going through the black hole created an alternate timeline, i.e. it runs parallel to the original star trek timeline. this isnt made up by me, but has been explained by j.j. abrams and is backed by the old spock in the movie.

he/they did this, so that they could reboot the genre without alienating all the fans by tossing aside the well-loved and already established content. that is also the reason why nero doesnt simply wait a little bit longer (little bit in context of already waiting 25 years) in order to safe romulus - because in his own timeline, everyone is already dead

Understood. But question:

How do you reboot the franchise and wipe out the entire 43-year continuity of five entire series of hundreds of episodes and ten movies (not to mention the thousands of books), without "alienating all the fans by tossing aside the well-loved and already established content"? You can't.

They did that, though, and I think that in the next movie, they'll need to go back and patch up the timeline, so that it falls back into continuity with the "real" Trek universe.

They also need to get a writer/writers and a director who respects the show itself, not to mention the enormous fan base he's playing to.